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je ne voudrais pas dupliquer ce qui a été fait sur Crash et RCC.... faute de temps.....sous ce lien quelques infos
http://www.crash-aerien.com/forum/1-vt4 ... sc&start=0

rentré tard, une soirée chargée, je pare ainsi au plus pressé ! ferais mieux demain, promis !


(bien sur, c'est un forum, à vous d'en extraire la substantifique moelle)

On a trouve le FDR et le CVR qui seront envoyes aux USA pour analyse.

C'est un cauchemar, ce genre d'accident, c'est sur. Je lisais un article qui nous fait bien comprendre le chaos lorsque la mort te regarde en face:

Parinwit Chusaeng, who was slightly burned, said some passengers were engulfed in flames.

"I stepped over them on the way out of the plane," Parinwit told The Nation TV channel. "I was afraid that the airplane was going to explode, so I ran away."

Piyanooch Ananpakdee, a coordinator at Bangkok Phuket Hospital, said some survivors told her that passengers stepped on each other as they fled the smoke-filled plane.

C'est affreux..mais est-ce qu'on n'aurait pas reagi de la meme maniere si c'etait nous? On espere que non, mais l'instinct de survie est tres fort.

Et c'est instinct de survie se reproduit très bien artificiellement maintenant dans les exercices de certification pour les évacuations d'urgence.

Tout ce passait mieux que dans le meilleur des mondes jusqu'à ce que un des ingénieurs d'essai, trouvant les résultats d'expérimentation un peu trop idylliques, ait l'idée de récompenser avec monnaie sonnante et trébuchante les sorties les plus rapides.
Les résultats furent tout autres...

il existe aux USA un forum consacré spécifiquement au MX8x et 9x sur lequel de nombreux forumistes, le plus souvent PN s'expriment sur la vie de la famille Douglas....

quelques infos au sujet de ce vol .....je cite

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The crashed aircraft was a 24-year-old workhorse, registered HS-OMG (c/n 49183). It was originally delivered to American carrier TWA in 1983 and had been taken over by American Airlines in the merger 2001. It had then been flying for One-Two-Go only for six months.

One-Two-Go recently announced a fleet expansion up to 14 MD-80 aircraft to be bought from JAL. It's present fleet basically consists of aircraft mustered out from U.S carriers. One-Two-Go was not a favoured airline in the crew section of this forum and many pilots asking about the working conditions at the airline were recommended by fellow MD-80 pilots not to join

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Both Flight crewmembers were killed. The media is correct regarding the captain. The First Officer was Thai. He was in the initial class of One Two Go ab initio program. He was an engineer turned pilot. He had recently been hired by Thai Airlines with a class date in October. For the record he was a good young man. Well studied and well disciplined, well liked. An only son.

The captain.....was the Chief Pilot. It is no secret and will come out in the investigation. He had lost his medical earlier this year and was grounded for two months.
The investigation should show fatigue being a contributory cause. Most likely will not even be considered. It will be "An act of God". Their words. I wonder if they believe that so that they do not ever have to take responsibility.

Unless some miracle manifests itself, all cabin crewmembers also perished. The pain and anguish is more than one should have to bear.

- The Captain of the flight, 56-year-old Indonesian retired air force officer Arif Mulyadi, died in the accident

on dirait les ingrédients de Flash, suis je mauvaise langue ou je me trompe ??

l'histoire du MD n' attire pas de commentaires , un passage par le désert chez les extra terrestes (Roswel NM) :

49183 1129
17.11.83
N912TW TWA 20.12.83 82 GATX 6.85, PLM 8.1.98

American AL mgd 02.12.01 s str Roswell 16.10.04, ret in svc, sis 01.05, wfu 03.04.06, frd DFW-ROW 04.04.06, tt 64679, 34202 l, PLM to WFBN 05.12.06,
frd ROW-YVR-Nome 12.02.07, to Petropavlovsk Kamchatcky 13.02.07, for?, Grand Max Group Ltd 09.03.07, canc 13.03.07
to HS

HS-OMG One-Two-Go AL
13.03.07 C
sDMK 15.04.07 fc

la maintenance semblerait être faite en Indonésie d'après ce que j'en ai lu.

source : http://www.md80.net/yabbse/index.php?PH ... ad8e4fd631&

quelques histoires continuent de remonter à la surface.... sur le pilote, l'avion, le copilote et les méthodes de la compagnie ainsi que de sa maison mère.....

Citation: les coréens (et les japonais d'ailleurs) s'étaient déja fachés tout rouge avec eux....

The ministry said that Orient Thai, which operates flights from Inchon, South Korea, to Bangkok and Phuket, had not updated its safety and operational regulation manuals and that fire extinguishers and oxygen tanks were not in working condition. “We ordered the carriers to improve the detected items,” The Korea Times quoted an official as saying.

In October 2004, a Boeing 747-200 operated by Orient Thai came within 660 feet of the Tokyo Tower while making its final approach to Haneda Airport, a Japanese newspaper, The Mainichi Shimbun, reported. The newspaper quoted Orient Thai as saying the plane’s captain had failed to give proper instructions to his crew on landing procedures at Haneda.

Flight Global suit de près cet accident et de nombreuses infos sont disponibles sur leur site :

récupération des enregistreurs

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... rises.html

interview de l'expert maison

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... rport.html

interview d'un passager

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... crash.html

quelques vidéos british et suisse sur le sujet :

http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?siteSe ... id=8229942

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGIDlqNylJw

dans un forum de pilotes british, quelques infos d'un pilote expatrié de cette compagnie, décrivant les méthodes et les manquements de celle ci à l'époque (2005) ou il y travaillait et le fait que les pilotes occidentaux, moins dociles... furent remplacés...

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Sad this has to happen....

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I worked for OX on the B752 during furlough from my current job. It's with great sadness and anger that I read about this accident for it did hit close to home...

I have been telling friends intending to travel to the Far East not to fly on the low-cost carriers (except those affliated with the national carriers such as Tiger and Nok-Air), especially on OX 747s and MD-80s. For those of us who have worked at OX, this accident seemed inevitable with their "management" culture. Their attitude was to save money at all cost and ask the crew to do something illegal - if the crew do it and get caught, that's their own problem. Fortunately for me all the B752 pilots were western trained (Americans, Canucks, Aussies, Kiwis, and Brit) so we did follow FOMs and SOPs. I personally overheard a conversation in which the "management" person told another pilot that all the TROUBLEMAKERS in the company were the American pilots on the B752. I assume he meant that we were troublemakers because we followed rules as well as refused aircraft for maintenance issues.

With my experience at OX, I do not know the pilots involved (may they RIP) for the MD-80s arrived just when I quit OX and I am sure those initial MD-80 pilots no longer worked there. IMHO, Udom and his "management" is at fault and DCA is also to blame for looking the other way. Unfortunately I don't think much of the story about exceeding duty limitations and maintence issues would ever come out (so on one could loose face).

As the scheduler, I had a disagreement later with that same "management" person mentioned above regarding duty limitations. OX added seasonal service from HKT to HKG on the B752 in Aug '05. I had wanted the pilots to layover in HKG (BKK-HKT-HKG, layover and do the reverse next day) but he wanted the layover be in HKT. Quoting him, "it's easier to get hotels in HKT and his boys on the B747 really like the HKT layover." I gave in to that so we flew BKK-HKT-HKG-HKT, but realized within the first week that it was not legal (out of the first 4 flights, the fastest was 8.1 hrs flight time and the average was 8.3 hrs). When I complained that this was illegal for it exceed the domestic limit of 8 hrs, the answer was that it followed international limit of 10 hrs. Since there was an obvious disagreement over our interpretations of the FOM, I asked him to go to the DCA to clarify whether BKK-HKT-HKG-HKT should be considered domestic or international. The initial answer was that he was too busy and had no time to do that. When I persisted, his answer was that he did ask and DCA's answer was that it was up to OX to decide so it is international. I then ask him to put that in writing in the FOM or a memo but that request was just ignored. These flights concluded just about then and the isssue never came up again during my remaining 3 months at OX. Of course now I deeply regret not forcing the issure more. With Thai pilots, I could easily see they simply do whatever they are asked to do even if it was illegal according to the FOM.

With the exception of the stress from dealing with "management", I enjoyed my experience at OX - worked with good people, formed great friendships, and learned much from flying to locations I would never see at the major airline I work for. RIP to those who perished and my prayers to the recovery of those injured.

Let's just hope this doesn't happen again...

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un petit article anglais assez critique également :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1811


visiblement tout n'allait pas pour le mieux dans le meilleur des mondes chez cette compagnie asiatique low-cost !!